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Alex Lazaris:
Hello. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to day two of this beautiful adobe live stream with Kristy Campbell from Pink Pony Creative. I am super excited for day two. I know everybody else here is good day to all my kiwis out there. I'm probably not knowing all of the things, but Steve was all about churbro yesterday. Think that's supposed to be a good thing. So if not, please let us know in the comments. But wherever you're tuning in from, welcome to this stream. If you are on YouTube, make sure you come over to behance at Adobe Live so that we can actually talk to you, engage with you in Chat, answer any questions that you have. But without further ado, Kristy, I'll let you tell everybody again who you are, what you're up to, and what we're going to be working on today.
Kristy Campbell:
All right. Hey, guys. I am Kristy from Pink Pony Creative. I come from all the way in New Zealand, and basically I'm a branding and graphic designer, and I own this studio called Pink Pony Creative. Just a little insight into my work. Some of you may have seen it yesterday. I just do, like, a whole lot of really fun, bold, kind of quirky work. Branding, packaging, your general graphic design, and just some really sort of out there colorful stuff. So that's all about me, especially my pink blazer today.
Alex Lazaris:
I love the pink blazer. I love your color palette. I think my biggest surprise yesterday was knowing that you do pretty much all your illustrations yourself and just being blown away with your amazing illustration skills.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, thank you. Yeah, like, all this little stuff. This is definitely all me. No, I love illustrations. I love them. They're definitely something I'm known for now, which is cool.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah. And I can see why your talent and illustrations is unmatched. It's incredible.
Kristy Campbell:
Thank you. Absolutely cool. Well, should I just get straight into it?
Alex Lazaris:
I think let's do a little recap of what we were working on yesterday and then where we're going to be going today.
Kristy Campbell:
All right, so yesterday we worked on a travel brochure that was almost like a modern take on your average brochure that you'd see when you come to a country. So this is a Hawaii brochure slice of paradise. Discover. Hawai. Very inspirational. And basically, we just created this really funky, bold, like, edgy style design. So we're using, like, gradient maps on the imagery I've bought in these really cool Illustrative icons that I actually drew out for all of you guys. If you missed it, I hand drew them and then put them into Illustrator yesterday. So go back and watch that if you haven't converted them into vectors and then pulled them into InDesign, which is a really cool way to just add some interest and features in your work. And then so following that, we just did the COVID page. We figured out our fonts, our color palette, and then we just started to work through the brochure and we went for the really big typography and some really nice white space and just continued to kind of work through it there. And then we started to go into the more heavier content on the third page and on the third spread in. So, yeah, that's kind of where we were at yesterday. Hopefully you guys followed along and really enjoyed it. I know I did. So I'm excited to jump into it today and get designing.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah, absolutely. I know Chat was going crazy yesterday. They love the illustrations, I love the spreads that you've been working on. But also in case you are just tuning in for the first time today, we also have a link in Chat that will give you all the files and some of these sketches and vector pieces that you've done. So super helpful for people to get started. I know there was a bunch of people yesterday looking for those illustration pieces for their own personal projects and so that was a great leg up. So we'll get that linked again in Chat and then you can click it there.
Kristy Campbell:
Awesome. And yeah, feel free to use those sketches wherever you want. Happy to use them commercially if you want to as well. I'm not bothered. They were here for you guys to use and have. So totally happy for you to do that. So jumping into kind of let's go back to the plan that we had yesterday. So I started out with this wireframe just to really sketch out where we were going to go with the work. We've got our heading, we've done that, we've done our contents page, we've done the Snorkeling page, which was the first page of all the content. And then now we're going to head into the surfing page. Obviously, Hawaii is well known for its surfing, but something I wanted to do, I was thinking about overnight as well, how I could give you guys a few more really cool tips in design and show you something a little bit different. So I thought let's add between this page and the next surfing page, I'm going to add like a full spread, really big type, just to show you a couple of little tricks and tips that I know in InDesign. So with the flow of the work of the brochure, I wouldn't normally go from we've just done our contents, our first bit of content. I'd probably have another page full of content, but in this instance, I'm just going to go ahead and make this really cool full page spread, big type, and we're going to insert, like, an image into the type, which is always a nice little trick. So I thought we could introduce the surfing bit of the brochure by having a big spread that says surfs up, love it. And if you followed along yesterday, you know I was struggling with my paragraph styles and I went ahead and I just actually fixed those up this morning to make sure I had them nailed. So we're going to go into heading and I'm going to make it really big, actually. So let's go for a nice big typeface.
Alex Lazaris:
I love that you kind of went back and retweak some of the stuff. What did you find was happening with your paragraph styles that you adjusted?
Kristy Campbell:
Actually, I'm not sure. I think what it was, was that the fact that I had character styles as well, and I think it was almost something was happening there and I had to go ahead and delete them all and just start again. And then it seemed to have worked, but I wasn't really sure because if you missed yesterday, what I had done was I started to create my paragraph styles as character styles. Purely accidental, it wasn't anything to do with my thinking. But then when I went back and changed it, I think it was because they were doubling up a little bit and something was happening there. So just went ahead and fixed them all and it's made it a whole lot easier, that's for sure. That's awesome. We'll just make them this really big. I want it to be massive.
Alex Lazaris:
When you're designing stuff that crosses these spreads and might have a trim or be stapled there, or however the binding is, how do you typically try to adjust for that or compensate for it?
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, I'm just thinking now, if this was a printed brochure, obviously sometimes it's lucky you get the space here within the it might sit here, but obviously it'll be a bit unbalanced. But actually, that doesn't even look too bad, having it slightly off to one side there. But maybe we could even look at going left, aligning it and dropping that up and having it all on that left page. Let's just increase this a bit. Yeah. Because if we get this printed and the F was sitting in that stable line, you would lose part of it, which wouldn't be the best result. I think this would be quite a little bit off balance. Let's actually bring this back up. We could do I wonder if this will work. I'm going to add in the word dude. This is very Finding Nemo, actually. See where we get to here. It still might actually potentially make I actually think that see, having the U in the middle there might be okay. And this isn't a thick booklet. It's about 16 pages. So your staple isn't going to be that deep. So I think it will actually sit quite nicely there. Let's keep it here. So from here, what I thought was a really cool little tip that if you're beginning or you're just learning InDesign, you might not know this tip. So you basically get your type outline it. You can use your Hotkeys, which are Command Shift, O, and from here we're just going to place an image inside the text. So going command D, and that should bring up your images. And then let's find some surfing. And we'll pop this one here in. And then we're starting to see the image within the text, which is really cool, which is just like a cool, funky feature. I thought this would be cool to show.
Alex Lazaris:
That's a cool feature.
Kristy Campbell:
Let's try and bury up so we can get someone surfing within there. And even following on from yesterday, we could actually add a gradient map to this image and it might come out quite nicely. We almost need.
Alex Lazaris:
Extra black or bold, more type real estate, so the image could show.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. Actually, thinking about it, we might be better off I'm going to go back, actually, and we could be way better off to use the slightly bolder version in this type. So let's go all the way back to just before we outlined it. There's actually a bold version here. Yeah, this could come up quite nicely. And I might even try this other image where there's a bit more darker waves coming in rather than the white wash. All right, let's try this.
Alex Lazaris:
That's really cool, seeing the waves kind of break through the type a little bit.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. See, even though you can't see the surfer here, quite like how they're sitting there, that just gives you, I think for this instance, let's just leave it as is. Like this. Just giving you that really cool, effective surf update. And we could even add a few of our illustrations into this, which would be kind of cool. This is when our waves could come in. Bring those across.
Alex Lazaris:
Fun.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, this is going to look quite cool, actually.
Alex Lazaris:
Don't you just love that when you start throwing things in and you're like, wow, that's actually really nice. Can't wait.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, this is coming together nicely.
Alex Lazaris:
Good job, me.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, gold star for you. Even pull this guy in.
Alex Lazaris:
Fergus says, OOH, that looks cool. And Steve says, I can hear the Hawaii 50 theme Music oh, beautiful.
Kristy Campbell:
You could even like it. We could even pull this one, maybe. Doesn't look so much like a wave there. Didn't love them there. Can think about yeah, this is looking quite funky. I just love I don't know what it is about. Big typeface, like across a spread. It just looks so good. Very powerful.
Alex Lazaris:
There's just something so confident about it that's so like yeah, amazing.
Kristy Campbell:
Definitely. I like that take on it. Confident. What about I feel like the surfboards might look too overpowering. A little bikini. There we go.
Alex Lazaris:
It's like you're dressing the ass, almost.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, maybe the bikini looks a bit random. Could even try and put it behind there. Not loving the bikini, actually. We just need some splashes. Oh, look at that. This is exactly what we need.
Alex Lazaris:
That's great.
Kristy Campbell:
They're perfect. Maybe just a couple more. All right, cool. Little water droplets here. Put them in. Is surf spelled with an apostrophe there. Hopefully not. As a designer, my spelling isn't that good. Definitely more of a visual person.
Alex Lazaris:
Let me see.
Kristy Campbell:
Put a nice little yeah, this is looking quite cool.
Alex Lazaris:
Apparently there's a movie called Surfs Up too.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, really? It's like an Australian movie.
Alex Lazaris:
It's got like a penguin. Oh, Shila Buff is in it. And Jeff Bridges, Zoe Deschanel.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, there's quite a big cast there.
Alex Lazaris:
Wow. First thing on Google says, why is Surfs Up so good?
Kristy Campbell:
Recommendation of the week is to go and watch Surfs Up. Maybe we'll bring him forward. Yeah. Little bit edgy.
Alex Lazaris:
It does seem to need an apostrophe.
Kristy Campbell:
No, I thought that would be the case.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah. Ruins everything.
Kristy Campbell:
Well, you know what? We're living life on the edge today.
Alex Lazaris:
What if you just made one of the droplets? Oh, yeah, the apostrophe there.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, he almost needs to be like one of these ones where we're a little bit more curved. I'm liking this idea, this bit of creativity.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, beautiful. Look at that. I feel like this is quite a fun little piece. Let's have a go at taking that image behind. This could not actually come out as strong as I thought. But let's try and make the introduce that gradient map into this image, actually, because it is so blue, it might not show up that much. So yesterday, if you guys were following along, we used an action in Photoshop and created this gradient map in Adobe Live action. So we're just going to remove those last two because what we did yesterday and when we play it, boom. There's the gradient map. See, she come out quite strong here. All right, let's just save this one. Save him there. Open him back up, see what he looks like. Oh, striking. I don't know what I prefer, actually.
Alex Lazaris:
I kind of liked it without the and the color.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. Especially because you start I think it looks more like a wave without that showing. That one's not working for me. All right. I think we're looking quite cool, even just for this spread. Nice and simple. Things looking pretty cool there. You could even as an additional little tip, you could look at even not that I would do it for this spread. If we copy that image behind that's within the text and then place it in place, if we're sending this to the back, we could even look at doing something like this is where you could maybe bring in a black and white version or the gradient map. And then you've got those. Oh, that looks nasty. But you'd see what I mean? Where you could bring in maybe it is the same color. Maybe it's the and then we're seeing something like that could look quite cool. But I think in this case, I prefer it when it's just really clean, stripped back and we've just got the text there. What do you guys think?
Alex Lazaris:
Tell us what you think.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah.
Alex Lazaris:
Do you want it more busy? Do you like it clean?
Kristy Campbell:
What other feedback? I think I like it cleaner, actually.
Alex Lazaris:
I do as well.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, definitely cleaner.
Alex Lazaris:
I think especially in the context of your editorial work right now, I feel like this is a really healthy amount of breathing room. So as you kind of get it in the story, you kind of have a page to kind of just reset and then get back into the content.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, especially because the first few pages are quite busy. We've got the gradient maps, the illustrations. It's nice to have that breathing space here. Have a little breather. All right, let's head on to the next page, which is going to be the surfing page. So this is when we bring in a bit more content. We're going to lay out using our grids again and see how we go to from there.
Alex Lazaris:
Steve and Val both say that they love it and it's looking great.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, good. I'm glad, guys. Thank you for the positive tips. All right, surfing. So I've kind of just briefly laid this out. This was definitely something that I didn't really think about. I just kind of placed them there. So I was thinking maybe we'll have big image, two images, the text, and maybe on this page, we'll have a bit of text here as well on the image, depending on how that starts to work out. So let's just go ahead and I'll start to map out this whole page. All right, where are we at? We're doing surfing. So let's hit us with a really nice surfing shot.
Alex Lazaris:
Oh, my gosh, there's so many great photos.
Kristy Campbell:
There is. Surfing images are just cool. Like, there's just some cool stuff. Even this one. I like this. Even though they're not physically surfing in this photo.
Alex Lazaris:
But when you have so many wonderful photos, how do you choose which one to put in there?
Kristy Campbell:
Good question. I think it's like a gut feel. But also I do find that when you start to map out your page or your structure, if you do have quite a few good images, just place some kind of placeholders in there. And then when you're starting to bring in some text, see what works. Maybe we're going to have a heading up here because we've got a really nice space for heading and maybe a bit of text in there. And then your text here too. If we were using a different image, the heading and the text might not work up in that left corner. So mapping out the page, trying to find what works with the content, I think is key as well. So let's bring in this surfing. I'll look up. We've got another. I've put dude in here as well. Ride those waves, dude. So we've got dude twice, but hey, maybe let's make it ride those waves instead of dude. There we go. So I'm going to start to pull in these headings. So we'll bring in this one and we're going to use our paragraph styles that we've set up correctly.
Alex Lazaris:
Oh, I love it.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, nice. And pull him in. And then we'll start to bring in the subheading. Top surfing locations you can't miss. I was thinking, what does that say? Here we go. I'm no copywriter, but I wrote all this myself. Thank you. Thank you.
Alex Lazaris:
Well done. I think that's really always super fun when you're doing these things. Make your own copy because sometimes it's really boring.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, exactly. Okay, maybe I want to see what this looks like just on there. Now it doesn't really work like that. I think it works better just in the whole using the one line there. Maybe this could look quite good. This could be the gradient map on this page. Actually, let's just continue. I'll continue to map out the page with the text and stuff. And then we can always go into changing the gradient map. Adding that. See how that looks. All right, so let's pull in. I'm picking out something else there. Okay, now we're going to go and make that into these subheadings. Can't remember what one we had yesterday. Let's go back. We need this little guy content subheading. That's the one. Cool. Content subheading. All right. And then we'll bring in these little ones. These are kind of just your location. I've got these under as, like, Body Bold. And then we're going to just add in some placeholder text. I'm so glad Adobe put in placeholder text. Don't know what we'd do without it.
Alex Lazaris:
Oh, it's so nice.
Kristy Campbell:
It is. See, even like, looking at this here, I can start to see that. I would like to see some text on this page, but obviously it's not going to work that nicely because of the image. Maybe if it was an image with, like, a really clear sky and it was just blue, that would work quite nicely. But let's just continue to map out the rest of the page. I thought we could also put in some I'm actually just getting a parcel. And he's right there. All right, so we're going to add in just let's put in one of these massive big wave surfing images. All right, so we're just going to start to map this out. What I typically do as well, I always just copy and paste. If I've got a whole lot of body text that I've already popped in, copy and paste that over. It just makes it all so much easier.
Alex Lazaris:
Absolutely.
Kristy Campbell:
Just copy and paste.
Alex Lazaris:
And Pamela says that her mom won a trip off the radio to Hawaii.
Kristy Campbell:
In the my God, that's epic. I love that. Yeah. My family actually have been quite lucky in that sense too. And all the way from New Zealand, won a trip to America to go to Disneyland as kids. That was quite epic.
Alex Lazaris:
Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, it's a long flight.
Kristy Campbell:
It is a long flight, actually, especially it was quite a few years ago, so I think we would have had to do a few stops. You can't go straight to La or anything. All right, see, what I was thinking for this kind of page, it looks a bit tight there, actually. But maybe we could have I don't love how this is looking, actually. I'm thinking, what do you not like about it? I think because at the moment, these columns here, this column here almost need to match that a little bit. Maybe we have to bring it out, stretch it out a bit more so we're stretching those out and then see even that's looking a little bit better already. And maybe we could start to bring this column across so we're sort of hitting that same width, and then we can open this up a little bit more to kind of balance it out a bit. Bringing that up.
Alex Lazaris:
The great thing if people are designing with us at home is if they don't want to use the placeholder text that you have in Adobe, which is just Laura Mipsum, you can also just Wikipedia places. North Shore has a ton of stuff on Wikipedia. You can pull some of that stuff in just as placeholder copy. I know a lot of people in Chat are talking about how difficult it is to write copy from time to time.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, definitely.
Alex Lazaris:
And if you don't want to use placeholder text, that's typically a good way of just filling it with relevant copy.
Kristy Campbell:
For sure. You know, it's so interesting, especially when I started out in my business, I designed I was working for other people for, like, seven or eight years as a graphic designer for other businesses. But when I started my own business, I found that you feel the pressure to then also become a copywriter and also become a web developer and also a social media manager. But I totally think that it's okay to say no and say that's not in my area of expertise, and then refer other people. Absolutely.
Alex Lazaris:
It's also a great way to start building your network because you don't want to be able to handle all that for your clients as well. So meeting social media managers or people help you with the web stuff will help you, for sure.
Kristy Campbell:
It'll help a lot, actually. And I just don't think, like, I'm not a very good speller, so I don't know why anyone would want me as a copywriter, but I'm a good designer, so there you go. All right.
Alex Lazaris:
I always love when you're making a logo and then you've been looking at one word for so long that it feels like it's misspelled.
Kristy Campbell:
Definitely. Or it starts looking really weird and really OD. And you're kind of like, Is this even right? I don't know exactly. All right. Not sure why, but I'm not loving where this is going. I almost think, you know what we could also do? Let's actually drop these to two of these columns and make extend them up a bit. For me, doing editorial design or doing any kind of layout is just so trial and error. And sometimes, depending on how creative you feel that day, it might take so much longer than other days. It's like logo design and things. Some days you'll smash it out and feel so confident. Other days you'll be struggling and it's been two days and you're still not getting anything right.
Alex Lazaris:
I really like how you've narrowed these down. And then they're just kind of sitting there in columns. It feels like you're looking through, like, a window pane, almost.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, I see. I think this is a little bit nicer with the white space. I think this is going to be too I like how those are sitting there. So maybe we can kind of work around with this and see where we could go with it. Maybe we start to see even this you could see me thinking just then I paused. Start to see this on a horizontal. What do we say here? Trust the process.
Alex Lazaris:
Exactly.
Kristy Campbell:
Trust the process. And then we could even start to you could swap the images around here. So we've got all of our text lined up and the images are below. Rather than being on top, that could also look quite nice. Start to see how that's shaving do that.
Alex Lazaris:
I feel like you need them on top.
Kristy Campbell:
I think I do need them there on them on the top. It definitely worked a little bit nicer.
Alex Lazaris:
I think it's because the Jaws copy doesn't really fill that horizontal space in your eye, so it feels like it's not symmetrical as much as with the images on top.
Kristy Campbell:
Definitely. I think we're getting somewhere, though. This is looking a bit tidier. Even if we pull this across, Corey says, oh, good. Glad.
Alex Lazaris:
This is really coming together nicely.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, I think so. And then you could even bring this right up as well. I just, once again, love the big text. Pull them even really high. I think this is where we could actually bring in maybe those two lines will start to work quite nicely. And you write a line in there's, even something sort of along these lines. See how that's starting to shape together.
Alex Lazaris:
If it follows kind of some of the type styles from earlier, where you're locking them up into the corners of.
Kristy Campbell:
The yeah, I should quite like it sitting in line with that texture. All right, nice.
Alex Lazaris:
Also, because you were trying to scratch that itch a little bit yesterday where you wanted to do the vertically.
Kristy Campbell:
Definitely. And it wasn't going to work like on this page. If we had the heading here, it feels really you're reading the left side before the heading, which doesn't make sense, but obviously with this kind of spread, you're reading that really big, bold heading. First it's in the top left corner, and then it's bringing your eye down to the right bottom corner, which is nice. Absolutely. All right, let's see if we can find another cool image that could potentially work. So even something like this could and you just drop them right down.
Alex Lazaris:
Oh, yeah. That's so much nicer.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. And maybe this is where we even bring so it's kind of funky. Quite like this. The text there is so much more readable, which is really nice. Nice on the eye. Always good. I'm going to see how we feel about adding a gradient map to this guy. And I'll just save him, bring him across. Cool. I'd love to know if anyone in anyone watching has any questions about anything that I'm doing or they'd love to know how to do a specific technique. Feel free. Feel free to ask. I like the white there, actually. That's quite nice.
Alex Lazaris:
Yes. Chat, please. Ask away.
Kristy Campbell:
Ask away.
Alex Lazaris:
We can also later on, we can always test a spread if you ever wanted to, and then have Chat vote on it with a poll.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, yeah, that'll be cool.
Alex Lazaris:
That's an option.
Kristy Campbell:
That could be really cool. That's an option. That sounds like a cool option. All right, now we're going for the surfing. So let's see. I'm not sure about how these surfboards will look because I think they're too bulky, they're too big. Unless we know it could do is even bring he might look like he's floating, so might not work as well. I was even thinking about bringing him in somewhere there, but it doesn't look that good there. And then he just looks like a floating board in the middle of the ocean there.
Alex Lazaris:
Looks like I wiped out.
Kristy Campbell:
Someone someone wiped out and fell off their board, sadly. All right, maybe we'll try another one.
Alex Lazaris:
Steve says it'd be tempting to put a wave text warp on the word waves.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, yeah. Like a wave through there.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah. Like if you were to do the wave warp, distort on it.
Kristy Campbell:
Yes. Can you do that in InDesign? Or would it be just an Illustrator?
Alex Lazaris:
You could even might just do an Illustrator. Yeah, I'm sure you can do it.
Kristy Campbell:
In InDesign, but I think there's even I wonder if I made a wave big wave surf. What about this guy? Or maybe this one. This could look actually quite cool. Even though we just said surfs up before. Hey, that's all not we're not here for the copywriting. We're here for the design. Let's just pop him in. Even he could look quite cool just sitting there.
Alex Lazaris:
Steve says, no, you'd have to do it in Photoshop or Illustrator.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, did think so, actually. All right, now it's interesting. As a designer, when I was learning, and even at university, I don't remember doing much. That was a mouthful in Illustrator. I feel like we did so much in design and so much. Photoshop, but Illustrator didn't seem to be, like, a massive thing. But I don't know, I went to uni between 2011 to 2013, so sort of a little while ago, but all right, let's go.
Alex Lazaris:
Trying to remember what was the first thing I learned? I think I learned photoshop first. What was the first tool you learned?
Kristy Campbell:
I think I learned Photoshop too, as well. And I did it when I would have been pretty young, like, 14, and I wanted to change the color of my hair, so I decided to take a photo and see if I could Photoshop it. And it looked shocking, but that's where the love for design started to spark. Yeah. So I just want to bring in a few of these little guys, see what they all look like. I wonder if this would look too much. Could even take him behind the text there.
Alex Lazaris:
What was the first thing that you designed that was like, oh, maybe I can make a career out of this, or I'm pretty good at this.
Kristy Campbell:
I don't know. I wonder what it was. When I look back, I actually still have my work from school, some of my work that I did at school. And it's funny to look back, and I remember I think I've actually got it on my Instagram. I reviewed my old work, and I kind of took the piss out of it because it was not the best. I was clearly learning. But in the work, I've made this flyer for fitness, and I'm pretty sure I did it on Word. You could just tell. You can tell when something's done on Word.
Alex Lazaris:
Did you have the 3D Word tool?
Kristy Campbell:
Yes. All about that.
Alex Lazaris:
Classic love.
Kristy Campbell:
It really a classic. Like your mix of what's the font that was called out yesterday? Comic Sands. And I can't remember what it was.
Alex Lazaris:
Papyrus.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, that's the one. I should have preloaded it, and we.
Alex Lazaris:
Could have added it to my really missed opportunity.
Kristy Campbell:
Really?
Alex Lazaris:
This ties in perfectly because I said the word poll. Voodoo Val heard it in her subconscious and made a poll. So we already have a poll going in Chat right now.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, really?
Alex Lazaris:
The poll is I love it. We never speak of comic papyrus again.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, here for it.
Alex Lazaris:
Unfortunately, her options are a little bit biased because there's three options. There's yes with a period, then there's an all caps yes with an exclamation mark, and then there's Yas Queen.
Kristy Campbell:
I think I'll be going for the yas queen. I'm all about that. Yeah, it was this person. They sound fun.
Alex Lazaris:
Voodoo Valle is the most fun. She's amazing. She's a longtime streamer and a moderator. She's amazing.
Kristy Campbell:
I love it.
Alex Lazaris:
Also, my best friend, she loves Star Wars. We did a design off once together.
Kristy Campbell:
Where is this your best friend?
Alex Lazaris:
Well, yeah, she's everybody's best friend, but mine amazing. And yes, Queen has got two votes so far and is yes, four votes now and winning get your votes in. And if you're wondering where's the poll? How can I vote, you're probably on YouTube. And you need to come on over to behance on Adobe Live and hang out with us here. And Shauna says I'm on Voodoo val side. Laz Comic papiers is great. Okay.
Kristy Campbell:
I'm trying to visualize what it would look like, but I can't at the moment. It's a tricky one.
Alex Lazaris:
Well, it's got the best of both worlds. It's got the Papyrus texture on the comic Sam's curviness.
Kristy Campbell:
Beautiful. I don't know if this font would have ever got so much media before.
Alex Lazaris:
Probably not.
Kristy Campbell:
Two days in a row.
Alex Lazaris:
No, this is a long every time I'm on Even, I did a racing logo stream a long time ago and even made a little racing logo with Comic Papyrus.
Kristy Campbell:
I love it. Did it look okay? No, I didn't want to say bad or good.
Alex Lazaris:
Exactly. I think Avatar Two needs it for their headers.
Kristy Campbell:
That would be ideal, I reckon. Ideal. All right. I think we're starting to look pretty good here. I'm actually happy with how this is sort of coming along.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah, it's looking great.
Kristy Campbell:
Got a little bit of your cute surfboard there. Your surf's up. Even though we just said it in the previous spread. That's okay. All right. You've got Jaws here, too, which is cool. Let's pop jaws.
Alex Lazaris:
Shauna says that she'll never watch the Avatar again because the subtitles are in Papyrus.
Kristy Campbell:
Are they really? I can't no, neither can I. That is wild. That is crazy. But it Jaws. See, I think if we reduce that, that'll change the air. You know what? I'm quite happy with where this is going. We're looking pretty tidy. Obviously, the text edges were not quite right, but hey, that's all right. We're looking pretty good. I love that you can make the polls in the Chat, too.
Alex Lazaris:
Oh, yeah. The polls are amazing. So if you ever did want to do a poll, we can spin one up real quick.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, that's a really cool little feature. All right, you know what we haven't done in this book? Page numbers. Page numbers. Let's go ahead and just put some page numbers in there.
Alex Lazaris:
Who needs page numbers?
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, you know, we've got a contents.
Alex Lazaris:
True. Good point.
Kristy Campbell:
So let's throw the page numbers in there. Let's go into type. No, that's the wrong one. What am I doing here? Special characters. Here we go. Current page number. I don't know why. I'm a real big fan of adding a let's make it adding a zero in front of them. I just like a couple extra numbers.
Alex Lazaris:
What happens when you have a zero and you're in double digits?
Kristy Campbell:
It'll be 00:10.
Alex Lazaris:
Love it.
Kristy Campbell:
I think I love I just love how the zeros look in this font. They look pretty cool. So let's just add him. We'll make him quite a bit smaller, too, because we're at eleven right?
Alex Lazaris:
Now.
Kristy Campbell:
So he's actually if you print an eleven point type out, it's going to be kind of big. Let's make it a nice little eight. Pop him in the corner there and let's see where we're up to. So if we go into our page oh, there he is. He's looking good.
Alex Lazaris:
Oh, yeah, nice.
Kristy Campbell:
We see it there. Obviously he might be disappeared here, but you know what? It's all right. Let's maybe just pull that across and nice. And that's where we can bring in our page numbers on the contents page. So we're looking quite cool here. I do like where we're heading. All right. I think for this page, for now we're going pretty well.
Alex Lazaris:
I agree.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. Cool. All right, what's the next page? This is where we will head on to views. I should have put views there. So this is all your, your awesome beautiful Hawaii that you would see. I want to do something really different with the layout. So I'm thinking we could even pull in like an image that kind of goes across and then we've seeing our headings here and it can be kind of this style. Let's do something like this. So maybe we'll spread it across to that point so we could go one, two, three. That could look really nice. Actually, I'm feeling creative today, which is always good because I'm on Adobe Live. All right.
Alex Lazaris:
Some days when everything's firing right, it feels so good. Nothing better than that.
Kristy Campbell:
And then there are definitely those days where you seem to get a little stuck and you just can't think of much.
Alex Lazaris:
And that's okay too.
Kristy Campbell:
And that's okay. We all have those days. All right. I didn't give this one a heading. What could we call it for now because we don't have a heading. I'm just going to type in heading to go here and we'll make him a heading size and we'll start mapping out this page once again. So let's go. We've got our subheadings. This is a content subheading actually. So I reckon we're going to go, we could go to three grids here. So we've almost got one, two, three and we could start to see how that would look when we pull it all together. This could look quite cool. Pull this one here. Oh, he just fits. Woohoo. I loved your little woohoo ecstatic. It's my Friday today, so congratulations. Feeling good. Thank you. Heading on into the weekend. Cool. All right.
Alex Lazaris:
All I want to do this weekend now is surf because of this for some reason. Who would have thought?
Kristy Campbell:
And isn't it cold where you are?
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah. And I don't know how to surf.
Kristy Campbell:
There you go. Hey. It gives you the opportunity to learn.
Alex Lazaris:
Exactly.
Kristy Campbell:
I could, however, go surfing. It is summer over here in New Zealand and it's rather warm and I'm wearing a blazer. All right, let's just keep shaping this one out. So obviously for something like this, if you were actually this was a real brochure. The content might all be quite different. So you might find this might be a little bit shorter than this bit of content, or that bit of content could be a little bit longer. So you can then start to play in. Or maybe if that one's shorter, it should sit on the right side rather than so then this is the we'd swap jaws and this bay around just so it sits a bit nicer and it looks a bit more balanced and it's got that nice flow there.
Alex Lazaris:
That's a great tip.
Kristy Campbell:
It's tricky sometimes with content trying to get around it, especially if you've got like a whole lot of content, you're trying to fit it all on one page. It can be tricky to navigate.
Alex Lazaris:
I also like to when I'm shaping these things, I like to delete the first couple of sentences from the placeholder text on each thing so that it feels like a different body copy even though it's the same content. Just like sometimes it doesn't look exactly the same for each content.
Kristy Campbell:
Exactly. Even sort of adding in a little spacing, say even like here, but looks slightly different to the previous. Yeah, that's for sure.
Alex Lazaris:
It's just a good way to get your mockups closer to a higher fidelity for a client without doing too much effort.
Kristy Campbell:
See, I missed out on the subheadings here too. With this one we've got Ride Those Waves, top surfing locations you can't miss. And then here we've got nothing but hey, it's okay.
Alex Lazaris:
I think way that you've shaped it right now looks great.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. So we can go let's just subheading here. We can start to maybe we could even maybe that could be there's so many different ways you can do layouts, especially with this six grid. You can see that I'm really utilizing all those spaces. So instead of the previous grid, maybe we could have it something like this, where you've got everything on the left side and then you've got your text here. I'm just kind of mapping out a few examples, but I prefer the old one. But there's so many different options you can use with the six grid, which is really nice. Let's go back to where we had the image. All right.
Alex Lazaris:
I just love how quickly you showed the possibilities within that system and how flexible it is.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, it's a really nice grid layout, I think. So six by six and to the margins, not so much the page. I am thinking though, looking at this, I feel like within this gap here, it should be a little bit bigger. For me, I'd almost like to see the same width for something like this between those two. For some reason my eye kind of let's just sort of see how that would look if we were to change it. I don't know. Like I said, all a bit of trial and error and I feel like, you know what I just did? I was measuring with a square, which I'm sure every designer does.
Alex Lazaris:
I love measuring with a square. It's my favorite measuring tool.
Kristy Campbell:
I've done it since I started and I don't think I'll ever change.
Alex Lazaris:
When people ask millimeters or inches, I say square.
Kristy Campbell:
Square. It's actually one square or two. Exactly. All right, the views. So this is where we see beautiful Hawaii. Maybe we'll go these famous gardens. What are they called? I've got the name quite like this one. This could look really nice here. I actually don't know how you say that. I'm going to butcher it, so I don't want to say it.
Alex Lazaris:
I'm not even going to attempt that one.
Kristy Campbell:
Botanical gardens, we'll just call them. They're beautiful. Unfortunately, when I was in Hawaii, we didn't actually go here.
Alex Lazaris:
Sounds like you need another.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, definitely. Post COVID would be nice. Are we looking? See, and in this kind of image, we could even look at bringing the heading up. Maybe he becomes white and he could look quite cool there. Oh, funky. See, it's interesting actually, looking at all the other pictures we've played with. They're all oceans except for that one. I was going to say. So the gradient map works really nice with the ocean. And that actually works okay. This works nice with seeing the ocean because it's blue, but I wonder what it would look like on this page where we've got greenery and it's quite a green scene. I don't know if the gradient map would look as good.
Alex Lazaris:
I like your heading being aligned to the bottom there.
Kristy Campbell:
I like that too, actually. Looking at where this is going, I would potentially, if this was a real project, I would consider maybe removing the gradient maps and keeping them all full color. I just don't know. Looking at it, I'm not sure. Bringing in like, the two images, how it works. Well, like, I love this spread and I love how it's the white clear space with the gradient map image. But I'm just wondering if this was a real project, maybe I'd go ahead and then sort of even insert full color images to the whole thing. See how that worked. See if I preferred it over the gradient map, mixing with full color images.
Alex Lazaris:
Maybe if we have time at the end, we can spend a little bit updating those images and then throw a.
Kristy Campbell:
Poll, seeing what it looked like. Yeah. Even here, as a quick example, that looks quite a good spread.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah, and I love that white drawing on top of it too.
Kristy Campbell:
So now I'm reconsidering everything. We can update it. Exactly. We can update it, see how we feel.
Alex Lazaris:
Well, the great thing is you have both versions saved. You didn't overwrite them, so you can exactly easily without having to really nice. Go through, change the PSD, all that good stuff.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. And I think that's an important note as well, when we're designing to try and keep everything really easily changeable and editable, saving a new image, keeping both the original and the edited, just so that if we find we want to go back to the original, we're not saving over it. All right, see, I'm just even trialing what it would look like with let's do it as a little quick, see what this would look like. Maybe you've got your columns. I think I preferred the big columns, actually.
Alex Lazaris:
I agree.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, maybe you've got the columns there. Let's go back all the way back. All right. Maybe they're just sitting a little bit higher. We could even bring the image down a bit bigger, I think. I like where this is going, actually.
Alex Lazaris:
That's looking awesome.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. All right. Looking good.
Alex Lazaris:
Have you ever seen the local project?
Kristy Campbell:
No, I don't think I have.
Alex Lazaris:
It's like a YouTube channel that features incredible architecture and design in Australia, New Zealand. Incredible.
Kristy Campbell:
I should check that out, actually. The local project. All right. Is that something you knew about or was that in the oh, no, Chad.
Alex Lazaris:
Didn't mention it, but it is one of my favorite YouTube channels. It's so cool. It just makes me want to visit Australia, New Zealand so badly.
Kristy Campbell:
You definitely love it here. It's a good spot. All right, let's bring in some of these. Cool. We're banging out these spreads quite nicely. Quite quickly.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah, I love your little palm trees.
Kristy Campbell:
They're quite cool. Lab. I'm liking them, too. Let's bring in a couple of those, especially for this spread. This could actually work quite nicely, even just here. Maybe we have another one. See what that looks like. I like this one because he's kind of going a little bit in a different direction.
Alex Lazaris:
Steve says his pals in him took a day and drove all around the island of Oahu in a convertible Jeep, of course. What a blast.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, that's cool. That would be so fun.
Alex Lazaris:
I feel like Steve's lived so many lives for everybody in Chat.
Kristy Campbell:
Steve from Wellington has definitely lived the lives that we all want to live. All right, let's put on a few little grasses. I reckon these little bits kind of make it. These little bits of little bits of scratches or grasses. They kind of add to the character of the page, I like to say. Throw him in there, too. All right, cool. I think this is looking quite cool. Maybe even this leaf. I like this leaf, actually. He's quite a cool guy. Bring him in.
Alex Lazaris:
I love that. Just breaking that grid. So nice.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah. Did you like it there or up here?
Alex Lazaris:
Kind of liked in the top left.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah.
Alex Lazaris:
Just felt like such a nice little out, like. Little details I was just considering.
Kristy Campbell:
Yeah, a nice little detail there. Change the color here. I'd love to know how many times we click the mouse a day. I'm probably going to get arthritis in my no, far too many. We'll maybe add a couple more little leaves, and we could even add one up in the top corner there, too.
Alex Lazaris:
That would be really funny to get a counter for that. I've seen twitch streamers and stuff that used to do Adobe back then.
Kristy Campbell:
Oh, yeah.
Alex Lazaris:
They used to have, like, a control z counter. So every time that they would like or command Z, every time that they would do undo, it would just add another tab to their list.
Kristy Campbell:
I don't know if I'd want to see it a I think I'd be horrified. Especially how many times we click. There'd be too many. Way too many. All right. I want to add, like, a cool little word. Oh, here we go. I think this is the name of the Gardens that we can't say. I don't want to butcher it. All right. Maybe we'll put them in white so you could actually look at if we bring in let's just go black, and then you could even pull them behind and make them behind there. Could look a bit messy, but I'm not the biggest fan of that, but you get the idea. That could be something to think about. Let's pull the opacity back up. I actually think this is the gardens here, so we could even just give them a bit of a name. Oh, cute. That's a good idea. Yeah. All right, I'm going to give the gradient map a go here. I don't think I'm going to love it, but let's try it anyway. All right. Not the biggest fan, I think, because of the coloring.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah.
Kristy Campbell:
I just love the lush green.
Alex Lazaris:
Yeah. Something you don't see very often.
Kristy Campbell:
The lush green or the green? The blue. The blue forest, because I don't think anyone sees the blue forest often either.
Alex Lazaris:
That's true, too.
Kristy Campbell:
Okay, cool. And you can imagine we'll have a heading there. It could look really nice. You could even look at I actually like the big white space there. I think that's quite nice. I agree as well. Yeah, it's nice to break it up, if anything. Probably what I might have done was push it all to the right side because we've got the white space here. So when you're cooking through your footflip yeah, it could look really nice.
